Volunteer Sandra Townsend talks to Richard Barnett; medical historian, author and a Wellcome Trust Engagement Fellow, about the intriguing history of bio-medical science. Go back five centuries and science simply meant an ordered body of knowledge; so music was seen as a science. Just as alien to us now, perhaps, is that for centuries medicine was known as an art form, much like the art of love or diplomacy. With the explosion of political and industrial revolutions this all changed; medicine left the weight of tradition behind and began to interrogate mother nature’s secrets. Richard brings us up-to-date and continues to surprise us with often humorous tales of how bio-medicine emerged. His fascinating romp through history brings alive the breakthroughs in their social and political context.